81) Message boards : Number crunching : Web site CPU list missing some CPUs (Message 1391)
Posted 31 Oct 2015 by Profile Tern
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The count being 10 explains it - believe me, an i7-5820K running 24/7 will show up in the "top cpus" list anywhere... and 8350s usually do too.

The two that haven't returned results yet are low-powered AMD APUs and may never show up here, that's to be expected. The Mac I don't think is ever going to return a result, CMS keeps saying VBox is not installed. Even while I've got it open and running in another window...
82) Message boards : Web site : Unable to post an image to profile (Message 1389)
Posted 31 Oct 2015 by Profile Tern
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No error message, simple JPEG (9KB), lets me choose it but then nothing happens.
83) Message boards : Number crunching : Web site CPU list missing some CPUs (Message 1388)
Posted 31 Oct 2015 by Profile Tern
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http://boincai05.cern.ch/CMS-dev/cpu_list.php shows to have been updated today - but only lists 201 CPUs out of the 573 "with credit" or 262 "with recent credit" that the server status page lists. I noticed because I have two AMD 8350 boxes and a Core i7-5820K box that are returning results, but aren't on the cpu_list page. (And an AMD A10 APU and an AMD A4 APU that haven't returned anything yet.)

The smallest count of CPUs there is 11 - is there a minimum number of like CPUs that have to be attached in order to have it make that page?
84) Message boards : Number crunching : Expect errors eventually (Message 1387)
Posted 31 Oct 2015 by Profile Tern
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May have helpful new information. Just rebooted Phoenix (749) for Windows update at 19:35 CDT. Before reboot all was running normally. At 19:46 CMS-Dev task CMS_10671_1427806902.405909_0 went to "waiting to run" state in BoincTasks. Message file shows "Task postponed 86400.000000 sec: VM Hypervisor failed to enter an online state in a timely fashion."

Launched BOINC Manager, instead of "waiting to run", _it_ says "Postponed: VM Hypervisor failed to enter an online state in a timely fashion." (Bit more helpful, that!) Properties says same thing, with 10+ hrs CPU and 15+ hrs elapsed time.

Website info on task; #68770, work unit 63912, user 306, host 749 (Win10 AMD 8350).

Apparently have 24 hours before anything changes - if you want me to look at something on my end, let me know, happy to help!
85) Message boards : Number crunching : Expect errors eventually (Message 1385)
Posted 30 Oct 2015 by Profile Tern
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BOINC manager Task pane showed "waiting to run" - which is not unusual for any given task as I run a lot of projects and BOINC switches things out based on it's own priorities. No indication in Tasks or Projects pane of any problem. Messages pane did show that the task was 'timed out' for 860000-something seconds - sorry I didn't record the wording, I know better! When I went back to look, the message was already gone. I decided to let it sit as the alternative was to abort it. I tried suspending/resuming task and project to get it to restart, nothing changed. At some point (possibly reboot due to GPU problem, when I wasn't looking at BOINC, timing seems right) it went back to 'running' and finished up fine.

Sorry about not giving computer # - when I look at a work unit on the website, the computer # is right there, I assumed it was the same at your end.

Please advise where to look in "Task Manager Details" for vbox usage. I use TThrottle on Windows machines, which shows a very low CPU percentage for the 'parent' task but shows the actual CPU usage for the 'child' task on CMS (unlike BOINC, which just shows the meaningless 'parent' value...) - but this only applies to _running_ tasks, not "waiting to run". I'm not sure there is anywhere TO look to determine why something is NOT running, other than the BOINC message file? Or how to know that looking is even necessary?

BTW, just successfully attached Linux box (782, very low-horsepower) to project, downloading work now, we'll see how it runs. No problem with VBox, unlike Mac (711) which is STILL not working. (Q&A section posts). I'm definitely a "micro-managing" type, but I'm in a "BOINC Addicts Anonymous" 12-step program to try to get to "set and forget"... :-) Seriously, I USE the Mac - my other hosts are "under construction", running BOINC for testing and burnin, and only get checked every day or two. When they are 'finished' and go into daily use, BOINC will still be there but obviously not running 24/7. They _may_ not be suitable for CMS at that point, we'll see.

When looking at my tasks (user 306), oddly, hosts 748 and 749 (AMD 8350's) show CPU seconds in the 8000-60000 range for each task. Host 775 (i7-5820K!) shows around _5_ seconds? Is this something to be concerned about? All the tasks are validated, and actually grant MORE credit per task for these 5-second runs... ??? Maybe these were running when there weren't any 'jobs' available for the tasks? When you're ready to discuss credit issues, I was around for the Sztaki, Predictor, and Rosetta startups (as well as BOINC itself) and have been project manager on several non-BOINC IT projects, and definitely have some ideas... although I _still_ feel like a BOINC "noob" at times... and am barely Windows and Linux literate...
86) Message boards : Macintosh : BOINC fine, but can't get CMS to work. (Message 1383)
Posted 30 Oct 2015 by Profile Tern
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After reading boards and understanding project better, got it up and running fine on several Windows boxes. Still get "Virtualbox is not installed" on every attempt on Mac.

I understand the benefits to the project of VBox, but it looks like you're adding a level of (unnecessary?) complexity at the volunteer's end.

VBox IS installed, and, as far as I can tell, working. Double-clicking the icon launches the Virtualbox Manager, and trying to start a Windows session gives "no bootable medium found", which makes sense as I don't have Windows.

Oracle's "support" boards are next to useless - and obviously most volunteers for a project are not going to bother going anywhere other than the project (if that!) for support before giving up.
87) Message boards : Number crunching : Expect errors eventually (Message 1382)
Posted 30 Oct 2015 by Profile Tern
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My task 68516, work unit 63658, took 3 days to complete - spent most of it's time in "Waiting to run" state in spite of CMS-Dev being my highest BOINC priority project. Looking at the log, it is mostly

2015-10-27 21:46:47 (608): Status Report: virtualbox.exe/vboxheadless.exe is no longer running.

Looks like when this happens the task attempts a retry MANY hours after the failure; don't understand VBox at all (can't get it to run on my Mac, where I do know what I'm doing, unlike Windows...).

Would be nice if either was notified something was wrong so it could be fixed on my end, or if task would just abort with an error, rather than keeping that CPU from running CMS indefinitely. (Until reboot?) That machine (Phoenix) was overheating with a GPU problem, fixed yesterday, or it might still be cycling the same task...
88) Message boards : Macintosh : BOINC fine, but can't get CMS to work. (Message 1145)
Posted 1 Oct 2015 by Profile Tern
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Nine days and no response. Warnings on this and other projects that running BOINC with VirtualBox may damage SSDs through excessive log-file writings - again, with no staff response. Obviously CMS is not "ready for production" just yet. Will check back in a few months.
89) Message boards : Macintosh : BOINC fine, but can't get CMS to work. (Message 1113)
Posted 22 Sep 2015 by Profile Tern
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Get no work - red line in event log "VirtualBox is not installed". Something that should have been auto-installed, or something that I need to download? No explanation on CMS site, nothing in boards on topic...

Looked at LHC@home, found link to download and install VirtualBox… that link should be on home page for CMS as well! So, downloaded and installed Mac OSX version. Tried CMS again. Same message. Back to LHC. "Join Us" page where link was. "How it works" at top right asks for email and password. Ones I used for CMS don't work. "New account" asks for (existing) email and password? WTF?

Mention had been made (NOT saying it was required!) of the "extension pack". Downloaded and installed. Try CMS again. Same message.

Okay, I give up! HELP!


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